I, of course, was drawn into this Slate article on racial preference and dating by the teaser on the front page, which read: “The Myth of the Asian Fetish,” and featured an Asian woman’s face.
Yet, the corresponding article did nothing to debunk any such “myth.”
This is the most the whole article gets into the whole thing, which is based on some speed dating analysis:
We found no evidence of the stereotype of a white male preference for East Asian women. However, we also found that East Asian women did not discriminate against white men (only against black and Hispanic men). As a result, the white man-Asian woman pairing was the most common form of interracial dating—but because of the women's neutrality, not the men's pronounced preference.
I feel like the researchers or at least the writer of this article doesn’t really get the idea of an Asian fetish. I’ve never particularly thought all white men like Asian women – just that there is this certain exotification of them that has to do with hundreds of years of colonial history. (Edward Said, anyone?) The whole study seems kind of weak anyway. It would be cool if there was some kind of social test that a researcher came up with to look at the Asian fetish and how it plays out at bars. I also thought it was particularly weird, maybe even offensive, that this article seems to claim that there is no such thing as an Asian fetish, and if there was, it is really Asian women who are perpetuating it.
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Posted by neela at November 8, 2007 12:41 PM
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i don't think the article should be held accountable for the stupid headline.
plus, i think this finding is interesting. it could mean that white men will *date* anyone, but won't get into a serious relationship with women who aren't white, or asian.
but i think it's also interesting that the asian women in this study are more receptive to white men than other women of color. this particular finding doesn't exactly come as a surprise to me. does it to you?
after all, it takes two to tango, and no matter how fetishy the white men may be, if the asian women aren't having it, then there's no hook up.
What should not come as a surprise is the outright racism of white women when it comes to choosing marriage partners. White women prefer smart men subject to the racial constraint. Men in general are more open to dating women from other races. But, women are not and white women especially so. Sadly, recent events in California and Chicago indicate that white women would rather prefer white wife beaters, rapists and murderers even over a decent well qualified well off Asian American University Professor. In one particular case where the white woman has disappeared evidence indicates that the woman in question knew of the guy's checkered past and his ex-wife's suspicious death and yet continued to date and eventually marry and have children with him. White American female racism at its best when it comes to choosing marriage partners.
Old news.
I know the article states that they do but if they don't discriminate against white men, that means that they don't have a preference for Asian men. Why do we need "more" studies, Neela ? We've known this for the longest time but Asian women just don't want to admit it for fear of looking like a whitewashed sellout. Hell, I bet if the Lord Jesus Christ descended from heaven and said that it's true, Asian women still wouldn't admit it. God, why is this subject still going on when the answer is right in front of your faces?
Someone seriously needs to do a scientific analysis on the minds of Asian women and find out why they don't prefer men of their own race like other women. I'm sure it's not because Asian women are the epitome of being fair when it comes to dating and skin color. The article plainly states that there was a heavy bias against Latinos and blacks.
I'd expect interracial dating between blacks and whites to be much higher since Latinos and Asians have a unique culture. If an Asian woman marries a white man, she's more likely to lose her culture as a white man can never replace an Asian man in terms of being Asian American unless he's whitewashed. She's being absorbed into mainstream white culture.
I really wish someone would dig through the Asian woman's closet and pull the skeletons out. Enough of these articles that examine what Asian men are doing wrong, let's take a look at what Asian women are doing wrong and why.
"I really wish someone would dig through the Asian woman's closet and pull the skeletons out. Enough of these articles that examine what Asian men are doing wrong, let's take a look at what Asian women are doing wrong and why."
Still barking up the wrong tree. The problem is racist white women. They would rather end up getting murdered and rotting in some shallow grave somewhere rather than date or marry a decent Asian American male...in fact they would rather date and marry a wife beating raping child molesting older white male who is a married man, rather than date an Asian American male or an Asian male. That is the reality...
http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/645671,CST-NWS-Boling12.article
Sorry to say this about this white woman, but as you sow so shall you reap!!
That argument doesn't even make sense. There is no telling that she even had the oppertunity to reject a non-white man, nevermind reject him.
However, my question still stands.
"I really wish someone would dig through the Asian woman's closet and pull the skeletons out. Enough of these articles that examine what Asian men are doing wrong, let's take a look at what Asian women are doing wrong and why."
I rarely read articles that examine what Asian men are doing wrong. In fact, all discussions seem to center on finding culpability with Asian women. Additionally, the linked article did not mention Asian men at all. It also says this: "Women of all the races we studied revealed a strong preference for men of their own race: White women were more likely to choose white men; black women preferred black men; East Asian women preferred East Asian men; Hispanic women preferred Hispanic men. But men don't seem to discriminate based on race when it comes to dating. A woman's race had no effect on the men's choices."
How about we consider the possibility that even if there were a "scientific analysis on the minds of Asian women and find out why they don't prefer men of their own race like other women," it might not be to the satisfaction of typical AA discourse. Why? Because an evaluation that didn't skew greatly toward finding fault with AA women wouldn't be PC. Otherwise, we know from the outset that what is being looked for is a report that you can hold in your hands so you can say, "YES! Social scientists agree! AA women DO suck and we finally have proof!"
"That argument doesn't even make sense. There is no telling that she even had the oppertunity to reject a non-white man, nevermind reject him."
Hypothetical situation. What do you think would have happened if an Asian guy had approached her at least 95% of the time. Not everybody can be as lucky as astronaut Daniel Tani..and then again she is Irish and he approached her in Cork, Ireland.
"But men don't seem to discriminate based on race when it comes to dating."
..and the women blame men for everything connected to racism. Ask those white women why they wont date non-whites, they will blame it on white men in their family. A young white woman from SF said the same thing although both her brothers were married to Asian women..
While I don't agree with the same exact format, Asian Americans really do need to talk about it. It seems we're just covering up a trash fire with a paper bag. The problem will be covered for a little bit but eventually the fire will consume the bag.
What do we do then? Cover it up with a bigger bag?
That being said, what about the idea that the spotlight could be placed on Asian women themselves. A white friend of mine stated that the reason why white men are so confident approaching Asian women is because since they see so many of them with white men, they believe Asian women are the ones that have a fetish for them.
He also mentioned that the reason why this pairing is so popular is because Asian women and white men have a fetish for each other. How much of that is true? There seems to be a considerable amount of Asian women that want to try a white man out before they get married. Is that any worse than a white man that wants to "go Asian" at least once in his life? Have Asian women looked at this issue responsibly and honestly?
On the opposite side of the coin, while Asian women state that Asian men never approach them, could it because they've lost confidence due to seeing so many Asian women with white men?
Let's post honest questions and get honest answers. They need to be answered.
I have always loved Asian Girls and Women. I hear this about Asian women liking white men, it might have once been valid, but EVERY girl or woman I have asked out says NO. Too many of them still have the attitude that white men are 'barbarians' and won't credit us with any emotions. I think we need to tackle the problem of Asian womens fetish for THEMSELVES. It used to be they would go with an Asian or white male- as long as he 'provided' for them. But now in this puerile, overly affluent'modern society' Asian women have become utterly ego-centric and nihilistic, superficial and stupid. lesbianism is spreading like a cancer in Asia and is completely destructive!Asian women NEED to remember that they need a man, whatever his race. Ying and Yang= Man and Woman
Skot - first off, all those traits you attributed to Asian women as being "utterly ego-centric and nihilistic, superficial and stupid" could be applied to anyone, regardless of race, sex or gender identity. As for your comment on lesbianism, perhaps someone is getting just a tiny bit vindictive after being turned down one too many times. That doesn't give you a license to make such a broad, biased generalization about all Asian women: we're not all superficial. You would do well to examine your own motives first.
As for Asian women "needing" a man to "provide" for them, pardon me if we refuse to wear frilly crinolines or submit ourselves to foot bondage anymore. What century are we living in again? Females can make their own dough as they see fit (and I'm not talking about the pastry kind). I don't see males being singled out and mocked for their bachelorhood.
ATT: HIMs and TABs (Hot Import Models and Trendy Asian B*tches): please stop representing yourselves as commodified objects ripe for the picking. You're not helping the matter either.
Plenty of racist white expat women in China and Singapore and many other places who wont date Asian men..
http://chinadirt.blogspot.com/2007/06/hate-mail.html
Sarah, in your fit of self obsession(proving me correct)you missed my point enitirely- that it seems that for a long time asian women were 'putting up with men', all the while coldly planning on when they can 'break free' from us and go on to live in their affluent, phony, female utopia. Because of course, us men are sooo unbearable( that's sarcasm, sarah)Don't try and make it sound like i was advocating crinolines and footbinding- I'M NOT! Although i do know that women should get back to some modicum of modest dress.You're response is so stupid and shows a complete lack of understanding nuance and irony which the ' ''s are supposed to indicate!but, of course, being an asian female, you'll get away with it- further proving me correct! Vindictive about being turned down, YES! what, you're expecting me not to be? and it's not one time to many- try like maybe the 100th time too many! MOTIVES! you say, my motives are LOVE, PASSION, VIRTUE, HONOUR, TRADITION, SPIRIT and RIGHTEOUSNESS!!What's wrong is WRONG!- no decent person can go on pretending otherwise. Trust me(because you will NEVER understand suffering), i only HATE so much because i L O V E so much!!!
so Raj laments that white women won't date him (i presume he has never asked black or latino women in as much as he never mentions it). is this unrequited fetishism on Raj's part? does the fact that you've been rejected in your quest make you 'better' than the asian women's seemingly fetish or quest for white man? the only difference would seem to be the capacity to act on desire - asian women can 'score' and asina men cannot. most of the posters seem to gloss over the fact that asian women were singled out as being actively discriminatory against black and latino men - even more so than white women. this should be disturbing to you all. but it seems not... maybe you think that it is ok.
this topic is old and has been played on many of hyphen's blog threads with still no answer.
i appreciate Claire's observation that it takes two to tango - that asian women would not be 'affected' by the presumed 'fetish' if they did not have some semblence of a 'fetish' themselves. the white boy can't 'get' her if she dosen't want to be 'got'. rarely is this aspect admitted to. i find it interesting that claire did not find the fact that asian women were prejudiced against other non-whites particularly surprising (I guess she knowa the 'minds' of many asian women). if asian women are prejudiced against non-white men, then wouldn't it be expected that they would be prejudiced against asian men? asian men are 'non-white'. wouldn't this be indicative of a psychology of 'self hate' in asian women? could this be linked to the high sucide rate amongst asian women? by the apparent ready acceptance or "lack of surprise" are you all, as a collective, saying that it is reasonable to be prejudiced against blacks and latinos? doesn't it strike you all odd that asian women are more 'racist' than even that bastion of racism - white men???
have we met the enemy? is it us?
"so Raj laments that white women won't date him (i presume he has never asked black or latino women in as much as he never mentions it). is this unrequited fetishism on Raj's part?"
You are jumping to conclusions too quickly young chap!! You know how old I am. Did I say anything about white women not dating me? The problem is Asian chaps think that Asian women belong to them and owe them something. Asian women dont owe you anything and neither do white women. I have to say white women are more racist than Hispanic women, but not black women or Asian men. You want to get back at white males..go find yourselves a nice Asian woman from Asia, perhaps the Philippines, and move their entire relatives to this country. Perhaps then if enough young Asians do this we can work towards making whites a minority in this country and eventually stripping them of their power. But, all Asian men do is sit and complain..perhaps they can compete with white men for some of those Filipina women to begin with? Meanwhile, white women will continue to be racist and complain and soon they will complain that they are becoming minorities in this country.
OK Raj, so maybe you are "out of the game". Lets take it to the a 'treetop' level - irrespective of who it is, there is a steady outcry about the seeming rejection of AA men by AA women and those same women pursuing (or at least condoning being pursued by) white men. There is also a concurrent wail amongst Asian men about the lack of 'access' to white women.
So given that context - and it is not unusual by my observation - would it be unreasonable to suggest that those AA men that decry AA women "being snow blind" are comparably guilty of the same thing? (wanting a white mate)
Is their real complaint NOT about the proclivity of AA women towards white men, but that they don't have access to do the same thing? does that make them hypocrites?
The rest of my post still stands.
I've seen the 'outnumber them' concept before, but I think it fails to adequately address the true nature of white hegemony in north america (hate to sound so pretentious, but couldn't think of another way to describe it). While population densities might shift some items, the control of institutions and the significant advantage that whites have had in amassing capital and resources provides an overall advantage that simple population tally shifts won't overcome.
Well, well, well..
I think Asian men have several options. If they are not too prejudiced and if black women or Hispanic women would date them, they should go for them. However, in the prejudiced real world, this is not likely to happen. White women..nothing much to say..other than sound like a broken record..I have said all I have to say. There is one other option. Compete with the white men for Filipina women and of course other Asian women from Asia..either through mail order brides or going and living there. If half a million unmarried Asian American men married half a million Asiam women from Asia, it means 500,000 more non-white immigrants, and guess what, their families would follow..at least their parents. It would hasten the day when whites become a minority in this country. That is the only way we will reduce racism.
@ Well Well Well's first post:
Lots of good points raised. If you go to Asiance.com, you'll notice that they even have articles where Asian women specifically want to date white men but then turn around and complain about "Yellow Fetish."
I've always laughed at that.
Personally, there is a stereotype among white women that Asian men are geeky and generally undesirable but if since I'm no interested in them, I don't care what stereotypes they harbor about me.
I've always said that if Asian women didn't wish to deal with Asian fetish, don't date white men. Since you want to keep that option open, you'll have to deal with it. No one gets a free ride. I've found that the problem actually lies in the fact that Asian women want a white man except without the fetish. If they can find such a man, they'll drop everything for him.
Is it fair? No but life isn't fair. The faster Asian Americans and rub two neurons together and face reality, the more progress can be made on this subject. For the time being, Asian Americans are still far too naive and socially...retarded.
Good article on the subject:
http://www.halfsigma.com/2007/11/is-it-wrong-for.html#comments
Tried to post before to no avail. here it goes again!
Rob, thanks for the endorsement.
Raj, I've heard the 'import and overrun' theory before. Given the numbers, I dare say that it won't be achievable in any near to mid-range time frame. Plus even if whites dropped to 45%, the impacts of the history of racial privledge would not disappear. Whites would still enjoy dominance in the institutions that create and perpetuate capital, organizational and access advantage which is at the core of the societal hegemony that whites enjoy in this country. a simple shift in demographics is not enough to dismantle that.
Rob, a very good point and one which I have raised in the past. It would seem that if too many white men can be accused of having 'yellow fever', then way too many AA women (by percentage) can be diagnosed with 'snow blindness'. So often when AA women begin their 'asian fetish' rant I must bite my tongue. To borrow from the Bard, "the ladies doth protest too much methinks".
Now bubbling under the surface here is the seeming obsession that AA men (save for yourself Rob) have about not being able to score with white chicks. Is this just the male version of the AA female fetish but unrequited?
Also, if white women find AA men 'geeky, nerds' is it also true that black and latino women share this same conclusion? Would that explain the paucity of AA men dating black and/or latino women as well? Or do AA men simply not pursue them so there is no chance to be rejected?
In the background of all of this constant carping about the evils of white people is the gnawing sensation that the AA community seems to have a similar 'problem' with other non-whites. And it is not nearly 'in the background' for AA women - the article cited in this thread stated emphatically that AA women do not consider Black or latino men as legitimate mates. Is it reasonable for the AA community to expect fair and unprejudiced treatment from whites when they (not all, but too many) are unwilling to extend that egalitarian treatment to others who are equally mistreated? Is this an example of karma - what goes around comes around?
Now a thing that often puzzles me and I never get an answer on is this - if AA women are being raised in such a manner that they 'have it together' so much so that they seek out white guys because {ostensibly) white guys have it more 'together' than those geeky AA men, how is it possible that these hip AA women are so different from their brothers (literally brothers, not figuratively) who are raised in those very self-same 'together-izing' households? Where was 'brother' when the 'hip and together' training was held?
Lastly Rob, in what ways, specifically, do you think that the AA community is socially 'retarded' or naive?
This is not (necessarily) asked to disagree or challenge, just to see where or if our thoughts are aligned.
Rufus, you cited an interesting blog, but it is still just that - a blog - wherein the columns are opinions with no obligation to be 'fact checked', so alwasy be mindful...that includes here too!
I don't know any Asian women, so I don't like to make speculation about them. I have however, being a White male, encountered a number of White men who either expressed a loose fetish for Asian women, or a more long term dedicated preference for them. In both cases, I found them highly irritating. There's definitely something odd about it that differentiates their preference vs. say, a White person who prefers Hispanic women. In other words, a White male who prefer Black or Hispanic females seems to have the ability to discuss their preference only when the topic was relevant, as opposed to at any given moment on a whim. I think that when referring to an Asian fetish by a White male, one must brake things further down into a casual fetish, to someone who's part of the sub-culture of White males who would only consider an Asian woman as a mate. And more often than not it seems, they seem to abhor White women. This leads me to believe that many in this apparent sub-culture have been embittered by White females, probably during school years when dating was the most painful. So it seems that a number of White males see Asian females as a Knight-ette in shining armor for the pained White male, because of all the stereo-typed assumptions of the qualities associated with their cultural up-bringing, whether real or perceived (submissive, faithful, non-materialistic, etc.).
Unfortunately, these people don't do much to help the problem with our media's and our White society's attack on the Asian male. Their dedication to "all things Asian" pretty much ends at the female. So; we have the general White male populace who will go to all media oriented extremes to ensure that Asian males are forever unpopular with White females. And in addition, we have a sub-culture of White males who would feel threatened by their chances of getting an Asian female diminish due to an uprising in popularity of Asian men. And from what I hear, some of these White men are in high positions.
"Raj, I've heard the 'import and overrun' theory before. Given the numbers, I dare say that it won't be achievable in any near to mid-range time frame. Plus even if whites dropped to 45%, the impacts of the history of racial privledge would not disappear. Whites would still enjoy dominance in the institutions that create and perpetuate capital, organizational and access advantage which is at the core of the societal hegemony that whites enjoy in this country. a simple shift in demographics is not enough to dismantle that."
Have you been to Hawaii? The whites, particularly the white women behave. The power do come in numbers. However, there may be one reason why the whites behave in Hawaii. The Asians in Hawaii do not worship whites unlike Asians in Asia, including unfortunately, your every day Asian female in Singapore. There are three types of white privileges:
1. Whites born with privilege, most whites in this country.
2. Whites who attain privilege through work..if there is an equally qualified white and Asian, the job goes to white
and
3. Whites have privilege thrust on them, ie., white worship. You find this in Asia where Asians give privilege to whites. If in a hotel, a rich Chinese and a rich white show up, preference is given to rich whites.
So Asians are partly to blame.
"So it seems that a number of White males see Asian females as a Knight-ette in shining armor for the pained White male, because of all the stereo-typed assumptions of the qualities associated with their cultural up-bringing, whether real or perceived (submissive, faithful, non-materialistic, etc.)."
Seems to me that in Singapore the ones really in pain are the racist white expat females who complain about not getting good white males because the Asians seem to take them away. Of course, these racist white females will not date local males..and for the most part they dont care about the local Asian women dating white men. They go to Burma, Thailand, Vietnam or other countries in Indo-China to get themselves an Asian female and many, particularly in the Christian community marry Filipinas and do compete with white men and are successful. The big problem is Asian American males are not into Asian females from Asia unlike the Singaporean males. Perhaps if they went to these countries and get themselves a bride, they can hasten the day when this country becomes majority minority. White privilege may not be eliminated but will be reduced and there would be less racism. My two cents based on experience in New Mexico and Hawaii.
Well, I think the Asian American community is naive about this subject in two major ways.
1.) They keep wondering why it's such a problem but I believe it's just a foil to keep them from admitting the truth. They know the answer; they just don't like it.
2.) This issue is indeed a problem. Currently, there is a huge divide between Asian American men and women based specifically on this topic and it needs to be addressed. The ones that don't admit this is a problem is actually doing the Asian American community a disservice.
A good friend of mine who's mother was a Black Panther during the civil rights era stated that the only thing whites need to do to destroy a minority community is to divide the men and women. This is exactly what's happening here in that Asian women are socially acceptable while Asian men are not.
Unfortunately, all too many Asian women don't care to know as long as they're accepted. Who gives a damn about everyone else, right?
I was watching the Discovery channel a few days ago and it gave me some perspective. It was a program about a pride of lions during the dry season on the Serengeti. Most of their normal pray have left the plains in search of lush greens to eat. This left the pride with very little to eat because their normal pray of zebra are gone minus a few stragglers. When they did manage to make a kill, all the strongest were able to eat while the baby cubs were pushed to the side. Eventually, all the cubs starved. Lions generally shun more difficult pray because it's more work needed. Their other option are water buffalo. Only a few of the braver and stronger lions will be able to bag a buffalo. The ones that didn't feel like attempting such a huge challenge leave the plains in search of easier pray.
Now, it's weird because you can use this example to relate to Asian American men in the dating scene. Bear with me. All of the terms and examples I'm going to use are metaphorical.
So many Asian women marry white men which is represented by their normal "pray" leaving the plains. Therefore, there are only a few good Asian American women left. These are usually nabbed by the best Asian men while the shy and less socially outgoing ones are pushed aside and left to "starve." Asian men generally don't wish to go after white women (buffalo) because there is just more work and challenges to overcome but many strong Asian men are able to land a relationship with one. The rest of the Asian guys leave the "plains" and go back to Asia to find a spouse who don't have a white fetish and also won't shun them because they're Asian.
Yes, it's corny but it makes sense.
I wanted to point out that the article states that Asian women don't discriminate against white men while Latinas and black women do.
Why is that? It can't be because they're more openminded because black/Latin men are shunned. Therefore, there must be some special emphasis placed on white men.
When I took an two African American classes in college, we had to read some fictional stories by African American women. Unless the book was based specifically on interracial dating, ALL of their fantasy men were black. There is just so much love for black men coming from black women.
If you read through Asian American fiction by Asian American women, you'll notice that all of them have white men as romantic interests or portray them as being superior to Asian men. I don't need to prove it, prove it to yourself.
All the sisters in "China Dolls" were involved with white men, a book written by two Asian American women. Go to the website Asiance.com and almost all the pictures in the Sex and Health section are Asian women with white men.
I have to admit that I was jealous of that feeling of being wanted, it's something that black men have taken for granted. There is so much talk about Asian women being "bored" with the usual and wanted to check out white men.
Black women love their men so much that they're content with them alone. That type of love is very difficult to come by.
I find that Asian women have gotten greedy and are just looking the best of both worlds. They want the love of Asian men but they also want direct their own love towards white men and want us to accept it.
Give me a break.
"A good friend of mine who's mother was a Black Panther during the civil rights era stated that the only thing whites need to do to destroy a minority community is to divide the men and women. This is exactly what's happening here in that Asian women are socially acceptable while Asian men are not."
The only way to return the favor is to marry abroad. Black women should marry Africans from places such as Ghana, places where there are shortages of women. If the five million unmarried black women give it a try, there is a potential 5 million more black immigrants to this country. Grnated, there are not that many Asians. However, if half a million Asian American men marry Asians abroad, that would mean additional half a million non-whites and most likely many would bring their parents with them eventually. That would hasten the day when America becomes majority non-white and GOP would be history. Raj is right, and I will go one step further. Just like Asian American women marrying white men is a problem, Asian American men and African American women not looking abroad for spouses aggravates the problem of preserving the white majority and white privilege in this country. At least the South Asians through their arranged or semi-arranged marriage address this issue, whether they actually intend to or not.
One more thing: if there were more South Asians in this country, America would become non-white much quicker through arranged marriages.
Man, how many times can this topic be brought up and not be resolved? It's like how America deals with racial topics. An incident occurs, there's massive outrage but eventually dies down, and then it's business as usual until the next incident.
In this case, this topic is never going to be resolved until Asian women go out of their way to find Asian men.
I also wanted to add that Asian women don't care about this topic because the interracial dating disparity is strictly an Asian male struggle. This is why I don't want to hear Asian women complaining that Asian men don't really care to hear about sexism. It doesn't affect them.
The next time you're thinking "why don't people understand me," repeat the following to yourself:
"The personal is political."
"In this case, this topic is never going to be resolved until Asian women go out of their way to find Asian men."
Or until white women drop their racist attitudes and date at least accomplished and financially secure Asian men instead of white wife abusers, philanderers and murderers twice their age.
it seems to me that AA men won't get very far with AA women if the prevailing attitude is that AA women have to 'find' AA men - this is a two way street and requires mutual effort. Both have to make efforts and to the AA men, get your heads out of your asses and stop being so chauvinistic. Also, it seems pretty clear to me that since white women date and marry black and latino men to a much greater extent than they do with AA men that white women are not significantly more racist than anyone else especiallly AA women...and by the lack of mention of AA men dating black or latino women, AA men seem to be pretty closed minded as well.
I think that the stature of AA men would inmprove with AA women and all others if AA men accepted black and latino women as potential partners and made efforts to "complete" their "passes".
You're nobody till somebody loves you!!
Actually, when it comes to relationships with black and Hispanics, while Asian women are involved with both groups at a higher rate, it's because their outmarriage percentage is much higher.
However, if you compared both AM and AF partners, AMs are 6 times more likely to be married to a black/Latin than AF.
Who's racist now?
At this rate, it's pretty dangerous as the two biggest groups to be unwed in 2007 are Asian men and black women which is being contributed by AF and BM outmarriage rates. I'm not sure how long it can possibly go on until this issue explodes in our faces.
I agree that AF and AM have to meet each other halfway but currently, no one even wants to talk about it at all. Another big problem that causes this problem is that Asian Americans generally are pretty apathetic about community issues. This is another reason why the community has the largest purchasing power yet we still can't manage to movies and companies to stop showing stereotypes of Asians.
As I read more and more, almost all the problems Asian Americans face are from our own doing.
I can't seem to dig it up right now but I'll post it as soon as I can.
It was on a Ron Paul sponsered website that was written by a white male that asked about the interracial issue in the Asian community and whether or not it was socially irresponsible for Asian women to outmarriage at such a huge rate and for white men to take advantage and "poach" them.
He rationalized that this issue is going to cause a huge problem in the next 10 years because it's going to prevent the Asian American community to replicate itself and cause inter community strife (as we can already see brewing) and problems in the country in large (conflict between whites and Asians).
What's scary is that a large portion of the responses agreed and only one disagreed.
White people.
Proving, yet again, that they can actually be more responsible than our own community.
"He rationalized that this issue is going to cause a huge problem in the next 10 years because it's going to prevent the Asian American community to replicate itself and cause inter community strife (as we can already see brewing) and problems in the country in large (conflict between whites and Asians)."
Ron Paul is perhaps hoping that Asian American men will not look to Asia for brides and add another half a million to one million non-white brides to this country (plus perhaps their parents). He would very much love to keep this country white majority even if it means conflict between whites and Asians over Asian women. And guess what..the Asian men will meekly stay single and not venture abroad to the Philippines or elsewhere for brides and contribute to keeping white majority just like black women do by not marrying foreign blacks and bringing them to this country.
Ron,
I wouldn't exactly go to the bank with sociological studies based on the postings on Ron Paul's website. I suspect that there may be some anti-miscegenation bias showing up there as well.
On your comment on outmarriage, first, as I recall seeing some stats last year, the outmarriage rate for Black men is only slightly higher than that for white men - btx 6 - 9% for both; the outmarriage rate for both Black and White women is lower, I beleive 2 and 4% respectively. The outmarriage rate for Asian men is between 1 - 3%, so it is pretty low. This may be skewed by the very very low outmarriage rates for South Asians but I suspect that it is still low.
For Asian women (I suspect this stat excludes South Asian women) the outmarriage rate is around 30 - 35%. Of this, the women in this group are in ~98% married to white men.
The only higher outmarriage rate amongst women is Jewish women. I think that the data for Latinas is difficult to assess because you first have to parse the data between 'white' Hispanics and non-white Hispanics - A Penelope Cruz would be classified as Hispanic but certainly would have a different social experince than a Rosario Dawson (irrespective of your opinions on who is prettier!) One would be 'perceived' as 'white', the other 'perceived' as 'black' - and from there the game is afoot.
In short, AA women in an alarmingly large percentage outmarry and when they do they marry white men. They actively seek to NOT marry Black or Latino men. And they aren't 'perceived' as white so they are not 'passing' as a Penelope Cruz of Cameron Diaz might be able to. They know they are not white and they still try ot make the jump at 7 - 10x the rate of other women.
So these stats reveal a couple of things.
1 - AA men don't outmarry much at all so analysis of the 'mate' selections of that small outmarry group don't have much statistical weight as regards the acceptance by AA men, in general, of black and latino women. The sample population is too small. No big 'proof' of lack of racial bias amongst AA men. The fact that the complaint is often about the lack of access to WHITE women gives a hint.
2 - the outmarry rate of both B and W men being comparable to each other and being relatively close to that of B and W women would support (with a reasonable degree of statistical accuracy) comparison of mate selections - or making some judgements as to what type of person the 'chooser' would choose if the chooser should decide to outmarry. But as a general rule, both groups marry within their respective groups. I beleive that for both goups the 'other' choice is predominantly Latino/a but that may once again be skewed by the white/non-white Hispanic thing. Neither W or B women marry many AA men, but then most women are ASKED and do not do the asking, so...
Of the AA men married to B women, I would suspect that the majority are SE Asian. What do you see?
3 - white men, while they do marry AA women, don't seem to do so at a rate that is wildly divergent from their general outmarry rate so it would seem that IF there were some mass conspiracy (or AA women induced hypnosis) of white men that they would surely have the numbers to "complete their sweep" and knock AA men out the box. But that is not happening.
I think that Ron touched on a piece of it by accident I suspect in his closing remarks "White people. Proving, yet again, that they can actually be more responsible than our own community." I am not agreeing with Ron on that specific point, but in ways alluding to an earlier post that talked of AA 'adoration' of whites - by accepting the idea that whites (in general, not specific white people) might be 'more responsible' you effectively abdicate to whites a 'power' that they actually do not have. You've placed them on a pedestal. Is it any wonder that AA women have too? This is kind of like the "b'wana" idea some of my African friends talk about - the idea of a 'great white father' as the source or solutions to all problems; even if that solution is that white people have to 'cease and desist' some particular action. You must actualize the idea that "it is not 'about' them"!
Your existence and identity can never be fully realized if it is constantly framed as a 'not white' identity. This is not to say that you want to be white, but that your identity must be such that it is intact and defineable without reference to white people.
Another challenge I see for achieving a greater cohesion in the AA community is that such a community is difficult to define. We have Chinese-American communities; Korean-American communities; Vietnamese communities (not even yet using the 'American' suffix) and so on and so on. This internally driven balkanization while helpful in establishing a distinctive identity does not serve to promote or congeal a cohesive 'Asian American' ethos. The American born can more readily absorb a combined AA mindset because they have probably been subjected to the classic ethnic mis-identity that is common in the US (you're Chinese/Japanes/Korean/ whatever, its all the same thing) which creates a 'common story' that binds and forms the foundation of the group 'ethos'. The constant influx of immigrants from various countries of origin - immigrants who bring with and rekindle their balkanized identities - break apart that 'ethos' because they do not 'share' the story, the experience. Too often, the American born resort to or actively endorse these recatagorizations based on the address of their particular ancestors. This also causes the 'apathy' of the communities that Ron described - which community are you talking about? Why be vigilent about the plight of Hmong immigrants in Minnesota when you are a KA store owner in LA? You wouldn't have 'identified' with the Hmong in 'big' Seoul, why do it in 'little' Seoul?
a lot of writing. Sorry about that.
"Another challenge I see for achieving a greater cohesion in the AA community is that such a community is difficult to define. We have Chinese-American communities; Korean-American communities; Vietnamese communities (not even yet using the 'American' suffix) and so on and so on. This internally driven balkanization while helpful in establishing a distinctive identity does not serve to promote or congeal a cohesive 'Asian American' ethos. The American born can more readily absorb a combined AA mindset because they have probably been subjected to the classic ethnic mis-identity that is common in the US (you're Chinese/Japanes/Korean/ whatever, its all the same thing) which creates a 'common story' that binds and forms the foundation of the group 'ethos'. The constant influx of immigrants from various countries of origin - immigrants who bring with and rekindle their balkanized identities - break apart that 'ethos' because they do not 'share' the story, the experience. Too often, the American born resort to or actively endorse these recatagorizations based on the address of their particular ancestors. This also causes the 'apathy' of the communities that Ron described - which community are you talking about? Why be vigilent about the plight of Hmong immigrants in Minnesota when you are a KA store owner in LA? You wouldn't have 'identified' with the Hmong in 'big' Seoul, why do it in 'little' Seoul?"
No harm in maintaining their own identity. But, it would be helpful if the men in these communities find a bride back in the country of their parents. South Asian men do it all the time. They dont have to remain bachelors. I am pretty sure they can be introduced to a good Asian woman back in Asia by extended family members left behind. This is what Ron Paul does not want. It would definitely mean half a million more non-white immigrants in the US, perhap three million more if parents are included. Ron Paul would rather have the Asians fight each other and not look into bringing brides from abroad.
I wasn't trying to establish the fact that white society has the power to point out problems in minority communities as if they're always correct but if they can point out dangers and issues that minority communities themselves can't identify because we never want to admit wrongdoing, we have handed them that impression already.
Like it or not, it's going to be a big issue in the coming years whether or not the Asian American community wants to admit it.
This issue posted on Ron Paul's website is a question and theory, not a definite statement. The debate theorizes that it is socially irresponsible because of the outlined reasons.
1.) It hamstrings the growth of Asian America. (This is fairly obvious)
2.) It will cause animosity among Asian men which isn't healthy for race relations.
3.) It was stated that China faces a huge crisis on it's hands. With the huge disparity in the number of girls and boys being born there, China will have an extra 120 million boys. It has been socially proven that there will be an upsurge in crime. Granted, it won't be as bad here but whenever you have more bachelors than husbands, the crime rate will increase. Or, these same Asian men will leave the country to find wives. If that happens, Asia will already be short a supply of potential women.
From the sound of it, the poster is not trying to hinder the growth of Asian America at all. If anything, they're wishing for it to grow, prevent racial animosity, and prevent crime.
This is a far more responsible argument.
There are solutions to this:
Problem 1.) It hamstrings the growth of Asian America. (This is fairly obvious)
Solution 1: Go get yourselves brides from Asia. Singaporean women marry white men. Singaporean men dont sit and complain. They go to neighboring countries and look for brides. This is what Asian American men should do. But, I am pretty sure that Ron Paul is really not interested in that kind of growth of Asian America. Know for sure Tom Tancredo is not interested in that kind of growth.
Problem 2.) It will cause animosity among Asian men which isn't healthy for race relations.
Solution: It wont cause any animosity if Asian men are willing to marry Asian brides from other countries particularly the Philippines where there are plenty of Asian women to go around.
Problem 3: It was stated that China faces a huge crisis on it's hands. With the huge disparity in the number of girls and boys being born there, China will have an extra 120 million boys. It has been socially proven that there will be an upsurge in crime. Granted, it won't be as bad here but whenever you have more bachelors than husbands, the crime rate will increase. Or, these same Asian men will leave the country to find wives. If that happens, Asia will already be short a supply of potential women.
Comment: Not underestimating the China problem but this was a problem created by the Chinese.
Solution: They have to do what they have to do. Go abroad and find wives.
"From the sound of it, the poster is not trying to hinder the growth of Asian America at all. If anything, they're wishing for it to grow, prevent racial animosity, and prevent crime."
Dream on. How easily you are fooled!!
"This is a far more responsible argument."
If it is true, it is a responsible argument. But, they dont want the non-white population to grow. That is why Mr. Paul is a member of House Immigration Reform Caucus, a racist bunch made up mostly of GOP members. So please come back to reality.
Dude, can you add at all?
When you have a negative number and take from a group that already has a negative, you still lose.
The fact of the matter is that in almost all Asian countries, women are outnumbered by men. So, if you fill up the cup on this side of the ocean, it causes other Asian countries to suffer.
This causes you to fix one problem but introduce another.
gee, I am kind of sorry i mentioned Ron PAul. He is hardly the basis of this discussion. I ma sure no one means to abdicate to whites power that they should not have, but sometimes it happens inadvertantly and the impact is not felt for some time. The power of subtle messages.
Raj, so tell us, do you run a travel agency to take men to Asia? Come on...you can tell us! :-)
Haha. I was thinking the same exact thing.
We should get back on topic.
"The fact of the matter is that in almost all Asian countries, women are outnumbered by men."
Really? Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos, Myanmar, the Philippines, Thailand, Indonesia, Malaysia or do you just want Chinese, Korean and Japanese..in other words, North Asian?
http://www.britannica.com/eb/question-456399/10/female-population-Philippines
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Vietnam
15-64 years: 0.97 male(s)/female
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Laos
15-64 years: 0.97 male(s)/female
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cambodian_people
15-64 years: 0.94 male(s)/female
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Burma
15-64 years: 0.99 male/female
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Malaysia
15-64 years: 1.01 male(s)/female
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Indonesia
15-64 years: 1 male(s)/female
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Thailand
15-64 years: 0.98 male(s)/female
So, you have your facts all screwed up unless you are focusing on China, Japan and Korea. May be you are not very interested in South East Asian females, Filipinas or otherwise. May be your family will not be too happy if you marry a Filipina. But, these results indicate that you are just making excuses.
Dude, can you add at all?
I can and I will show you how to add.
"When you have a negative number and take from a group that already has a negative, you still lose."
Only China, Japan and Korea
"The fact of the matter is that in almost all Asian countries, women are outnumbered by men. So, if you fill up the cup on this side of the ocean, it causes other Asian countries to suffer."
Not true. Take a look at Male to Female ratio in these countries. They are all under 1!! Surprise!! Surprise!!
http://www.indexmundi.com/philippines/sex_ratio.html
http://www.indexmundi.com/thailand/sex_ratio.html
http://www.indexmundi.com/vietnam/sex_ratio.html
http://www.indexmundi.com/cambodia/sex_ratio.html
http://www.indexmundi.com/laos/sex_ratio.html
http://www.indexmundi.com/malaysia/sex_ratio.html
http://www.indexmundi.com/singapore/sex_ratio.html
http://www.indexmundi.com/indonesia/sex_ratio.html
http://www.indexmundi.com/burma/sex_ratio.html
http://www.indexmundi.com/mongolia/sex_ratio.html
Only Malaysia and Indonesia have slightly over one.
"This causes you to fix one problem but introduce another."
Actually Asian Americans would be alleviating the male shortage problem if they married women from the above mentioned countries. Dude, dont talk rubbish without providing evidence. May be you think South East Asians are beneath you, or your family may not accept a Filipina or Thai daughter in law, but that is a different story. Good luck. As far as travel agency is concerned, you dont need to go to one. Round trip flight on United to South East Asia is less than a thousand dollars from Seattle and slightly over that from SFO and LAX.
Dude, can you add at all?
I can and I will show you how to add.
"When you have a negative number and take from a group that already has a negative, you still lose."
Only China, Japan and Korea
"The fact of the matter is that in almost all Asian countries, women are outnumbered by men. So, if you fill up the cup on this side of the ocean, it causes other Asian countries to suffer."
Not true. Take a look at Male to Female ratio in these countries. They are all under 1!! Surprise!! Surprise!!
http://www.indexmundi.com/philippines/sex_ratio.html
http://www.indexmundi.com/thailand/sex_ratio.html
http://www.indexmundi.com/vietnam/sex_ratio.html
http://www.indexmundi.com/cambodia/sex_ratio.html
http://www.indexmundi.com/laos/sex_ratio.html
http://www.indexmundi.com/malaysia/sex_ratio.html
http://www.indexmundi.com/singapore/sex_ratio.html
http://www.indexmundi.com/indonesia/sex_ratio.html
http://www.indexmundi.com/burma/sex_ratio.html
http://www.indexmundi.com/mongolia/sex_ratio.html
Only Malaysia and Indonesia have slightly over one.
"This causes you to fix one problem but introduce another."
Actually Asian Americans would be alleviating the male shortage problem if they married women from the above mentioned countries. Dude, dont talk rubbish without providing evidence. May be you think South East Asians are beneath you, or your family may not accept a Filipina or Thai daughter in law, but that is a different story. Good luck. As far as travel agency is concerned, you dont need to go to one. Round trip flight on United to South East Asia is less than a thousand dollars from Seattle and slightly over that from SFO and LAX.
Raj,
wow, that's a lot of data gathering! So an interesting interlude buried in this byte exchange, do I sense either a tendency to view the world thru a singular prism (East Asia, as opposed to SE or S Asia) which our South Asian demographic sleuth takes a bit of an issue with? If such small irritations cannot (or are not) automatically be salved does that make the concept of a conformed and cohesive AA identity hard to manifest? I mean if it is thought that an E Asian family might have trouble with a SE Asian daughter (and presumably son) is it any wonder that an E Asian woman might blow past an Asian man? It is difficult to imagine a person thinking of ethnic groups in a heirarchical manner and limiting that to only certain groups.
"Seems to me that in Singapore the ones really in pain are the racist white expat females who complain about not getting good white males because the Asians seem to take them away."
Where are these expat women usually from? If they're from Europe, it sounds like they have an archaic colonial mentality that White women had in the "colonizing" era when they would go with their White diplomat husbands, and looked down on the locals.
If they're from the U.S., chances are they are brainwashed by the American media.
"Where are these expat women usually from? If they're from Europe, it sounds like they have an archaic colonial mentality that White women had in the "colonizing" era when they would go with their White diplomat husbands, and looked down on the locals.
If they're from the U.S., chances are they are brainwashed by the American media."
English speaking generally..mostly Brits and white Americans, but you can also include Aussies. Dont know why..but Canadians and white South Africans tend to be least racist. I am actually very surprised to find a lot of Afrikaaner women married into prominent Chinese families..pretty bizarre!!
"wow, that's a lot of data gathering! So an interesting interlude buried in this byte exchange, do I sense either a tendency to view the world thru a singular prism (East Asia, as opposed to SE or S Asia) which our South Asian demographic sleuth takes a bit of an issue with? If such small irritations cannot (or are not) automatically be salved does that make the concept of a conformed and cohesive AA identity hard to manifest? I mean if it is thought that an E Asian family might have trouble with a SE Asian daughter (and presumably son) is it any wonder that an E Asian woman might blow past an Asian man? It is difficult to imagine a person thinking of ethnic groups in a heirarchical manner and limiting that to only certain groups."
Singapore is mostly Chinese as is Malaysia..so we cannot really say that they are different from East Asians. Thais, Burmese and people from Indo-China are clearly South East Asian as are the Filipinos. A Filipino Chinese male who is now an American (actually he came here when he was one years old) told me that his family would disown him even if he brought home a Filipina-American (non Chinese) or any other Asian other than Chinese, but a white woman is Ok. With such attitudes how are they going to compete with white men who have no such hang-ups.
Raj,
you reinforced my point. If Asians are inclined to (or condone) discrimination against other Asians then it is only a short drive to acquiescing to discrimination against one's own group.
Sing is largly Chinese. Malaysia is most Malay, the Chinese are a minority but a rich minority. Sing and Malaysia are different than East Asia. The English refracted multi-culti of Sing makes it decidedly different from Beijing or Seoul. Malaysia has a different historical arc, influenced by Islam and a different colonial past. The vibe is very different.
A person who came to the US at age 1 and is now in his 20s is American. Culture is nurture not nature. You are as you are raised not as your DNA is sourced.
"you reinforced my point. If Asians are inclined to (or condone) discrimination against other Asians then it is only a short drive to acquiescing to discrimination against one's own group."
And if Asians are not willing to give women from some of these countries a chance at romance, when they are having a tough time finding brides due to Asian American women marrying white men in large numbers, they are supporting the status quo, ie., white majority and discrimination in the US and allow whites to run all over them.
Confronted with Raj's evidence Ron has disappeared and so has everyone else.
Hi Sak, actually since I don't think AA men should categorically rule out women in Asian countries, there is really nothing to comment about on Raj's last post. We agree at the 10,000 foot level. I do not think that it is likely that in any reasonable time frame Asian Americans will 'minoritize' white Americans simply by marrying and bringing their brides/spouses back. AA's can 'contribute' to the eventual "minoritization" of whites in conjunction with the growth of other non-white populations in this country. But the success of that is challenged by what we have discussed is a underlying racial prejudice that AA's seem to have against other black, brown or beige people. This prejudice creates a barrier against collective political action which would be essential to shifting the racial dynamics.
The all too incidious desire to be received/perceived as "honorary whites" makes it difficult at best to establish a real coalition across ethnic groups. At a certain level, the very fact that so many AA women 'seek' white men makes it obvious that they would not be inclined to 'side against' the interests of their mates.
I'm still here but have nothing add as of yet.
"Hi Sak, actually since I don't think AA men should categorically rule out women in Asian countries, there is really nothing to comment about on Raj's last post. We agree at the 10,000 foot level. I do not think that it is likely that in any reasonable time frame Asian Americans will 'minoritize' white Americans simply by marrying and bringing their brides/spouses back. AA's can 'contribute' to the eventual "minoritization" of whites in conjunction with the growth of other non-white populations in this country."
Now if the black women in the US of whom about four million are unmarried and are not likely to marry although they would like to marry, look for grooms in Africa and the Caribbean, the day when whites become a minority in this country could be shifted forward to 2030. But, black American women like many Asian American males have a superiority complex towards Africans or the folks from Caribbean and they would rather whine about all good black men being taken by white women than marry one of those foreign students from Africa.
Hmm, Raj, I don't know about that assessment of yours - African American women having a superiority complex regarding Caribbean and/or African men. I think that there is a bit more of that the other way around but I think it is more directed at African American men.
So just suppose that African American women went en masse to the Caribbean and Africa and started whisking away the menfolk. Wouldn't this quite likely create a 'man shortage' in those countries? Is that particularly helpful to Africa or the Caribbean? Wouldn't African and Caribbean women fight back?
As for the 'black men being taken by white women' thing, while you hear that played up in the media (with famous athletes, etc) from time to time the acutal outmarriage rate for African American men is not that large - under 10% so it is not comparable to the AA women rate. I think you hear more comments from African American women about the economic, educational and social marginalization of African American men that makes them less than ideal spouses. It is more a 'quality' shortage than a 'quantity' shortage.
Actually, there is a woman shortage in Africa.
Raj,
what with the history of internal conflicts and the immigration of so many men to North America and the EU for work (and I've seen them in both places) could you please substantiate the 'women shortage' in Africa. And please be geographically explicit - a shortage in Namibia does not equal a shortage in Nigeria.
Look. Why dont you go to websites and figure it out yourselves. I have little time now. I have already showed you men shortage in Asia. Go to any demographic site and they should have it.
The last post was by me. I forgot to type my name in. This blog is essentially for Asian Americans. So, let us focus on it. I dont have much time to research shortage of females in Africa. Here is one example, Nigeria
http://www.photius.com/wfb1999/nigeria/nigeria_people.html
and Ghana..
http://www.ghanaweb.com/GhanaHomePage/general/
Here is some more....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Ethiopia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Kenya
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Uganda
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_Democratic_Republic_of_the_Congo
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Zimbabwe
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Trinidad_and_Tobago
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Guyana
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Cameroon
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_C%C3%B4te_d'Ivoire
So there are plenty of black men in Africa and the Caribbean for the African American women to go around. But, the question is would they. I think not and this attitude helps the whites keep their majority and thus by default perpetuate racism!!
all you clowns are missing the big picture! the white man is viewed as special-due to his creative genius. you know,that pc you are on right now,invented by whitey! same goes for the tv,radio,phone,auto,airplane,`cheeseburgers and pizza`!!! bwaaahaa! the list is endless my dark brothers. maybe some of you might get your heads outta your arses and do some research on the tribes of JACOB and their blessings from god!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Raj,
looking at the stats you dug up, most of the countries are pretty much even with the exception of Kenya, Zimbabwe and Trinidad/Tobago having a slight male edge. Congo and Ethiopia are slightly female. And in no case is the disparity sufficiently large to give Balck American women a good shot at displacing the local females. By the way, if you don't have time to research the stats, then maybe you ought not to cite them so authoritatively (like ethnic Chinese being the majority population in Malaysia). Now currently being in Delhi, there seems to be a lot more young men than young women. But there's no science in my observation.
Well, well, well:
Upto you. You can let the white man displace local women in places such as the Philippines or Asian Americans can compete. The white man is going to do it anyway. Pretty lame excuse.
I dont think it is an issue for people to date outside there race. I do find it annoying that people feel that women should stay dedicated to the men of their race is really silly and almost comes off as you having REALLY low self-esteem. When people are attracted to the mass generalizations, aka sterotypes, then it is bad. If you like Asian women because they ALL are submissive or Black women because they ALL have an attitude, then yeah you probably have a problem that YOU need to address. It is one thing to be attracted to green eyes or dark skin or curly hair. It is another thing to think that Anime and Mme Butterfly or BET and well everything else on TV make up an ENTIRE group of women. Oh and as a Black woman, I can honestly say that I am attracted to me in general but most the men I am attracted to and all the men I have dated have been Latino or White. I think all that stuff about black women dating only black men is crap, it is a horrible double standard that for some odd reason people plan into and they can keep that crap to themselves.
Men will marry the woman that meets his expectations of a wife, just as a women will marry for the same reason. Asian women are preferred because of their traits and family orientation and lack of self centred approach. Its that simple.